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Gun Debate

February 18, 2013

Dear Editor: Local debate over gun control seems to be giving an inordinate amount of attention to NRA claims; howls about second amendment rights ignore the fact of long-standing limitations on......

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promo61

Feb-18-13 11:18 AM

How do you know the majority of Americans want more gun control? What is your polling source?

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turley

Feb-18-13 1:19 PM

As is VERY well known by now, the tragic killings at Sandy Hook were done with very common hand guns....NOT assault weapons or military weapons or machine guns, Mr. Morgan......so WHY is the "push" still on???...Let me tell you why.....its NOTHING to do with guns, and EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL....WAKE UP, Mr. Morgan.

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Thoughtful

Feb-18-13 7:24 PM

Mr. Morgan jumps on any bandwagon of Mr. Obama blindly. this is dangerous, leads to inaccurate information, poor laws, and does not address issues.

Let us examine the last five mass shootings and determine how we can address them. The easy and immediate answer is gun control BUT that is not the most appropriate solution. Think, Go more deeply into the issues before writing a letter. Please........

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oluhjnb

Feb-18-13 8:38 PM

You there---FAT MAN, read the Wikipedia account of the Sandy Hook killings. Get your facts straight before you pop off like Rush Limbaugh.

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oluhjnb

Feb-18-13 8:42 PM

Thoughtful---since you read so much about everything, what is the "appropriate solution"?

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BushCrimeFamily

Feb-18-13 11:13 PM

As usual, Republicans only offer (usually debunked) "facts" and poll results they agree with. What a sad existence.

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BushCrimeFamily

Feb-18-13 11:15 PM

Also, as usual, Thoughtful has nothing to offer except platitudes.

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oluhjnb

Feb-19-13 6:46 AM

Turley and Thoughtful trained under Dick Morris.

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LogHog

Feb-19-13 7:20 AM

legal gun owners do not,have not done mass murder...NRA members are some of the most safe people in the country..mental nut jobs, mostly lefties do these nasty deeds. Many either on drugs or having been on drugs. So yea, I see the real point of these lefties thinking all guns are bad. Their twisted minds might get ahold of one and go crazy...

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promo61

Feb-19-13 7:55 AM

BCF and oluh trained under Barney Frank. Literally.

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Thoughtful

Feb-19-13 10:58 AM

personal attacks deflect from the true debate. Can we have dialogue, discussion, and engagement of ideas rather than bluster and blunder !! would be more useful.................

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turley

Feb-19-13 11:58 AM

Thoughtful...there really is no reason for debate, or to entertain Mr.Morgans suggestions about citizens owning guns. This is a Constitutional Right...simple as that. As we all know, lawmakers are forbidden to make unconstitutional laws and, should they do so, American citizens have not only a right, but a duty, to disregard such laws. Let windbags like these goofs spout off all they like. It gives them something to do between welfare checks. They seem to share that Chris Wallace-like unhealthy man crush for Obama....Oluh even thinks he is black!!...LOL...maybe he can play Al Roker!

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turley

Feb-19-13 12:12 PM

Have you ever noticed that if a normal American does not want a gun he simply doesnt buy one???....the ultra-lib, on the other hand, doesnt want ANYBODY to buy one if he/she doesnt want one.....its a general insecurity amongst them...tragic.

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oluhjnb

Feb-19-13 6:59 PM

I've never seen anybody debate anything on this site. They just call each other hate filled words that won't get blotted out with *****. Imagine if they could post what they really think!!

Ain't that right turley, you old clone of Archie Bunker.

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turley

Feb-19-13 9:25 PM

See what I mean, Thoughtful???....very insecure...very sad.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 12:34 AM

Wow! No wonder this country has went down the crapper! First off we can't just go tromping all over the Bill of Rights out of unfounded fears. One statement,one question, yet no answers! We have had firearms throughout our history, every home in the 70's had at least one firearm, yet there were no spree killings except one in Texas. That was ended by Civilians and Police working together. So what has changed from then till now? Society's moral values, that is the problem with most of what ails this Great Nation! Blaming firearms for these spree killings will only continue the madness. We didn't get diagnosed with ADD or Aspergers, we got diagnosed with ants in the panst and got prescribed a good ol fashioned butt whoopin! Pumping our youth full of zombifying drugs then sitting them down if front of constant glorification of violence is a huge part of the problem. Open your eyes, you cannot turn on the tv anymore without seeing one of these crime shows or exploding heads.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 12:40 AM

Here is the answer to the gun debate, the Founding Fathers warned us of two things, a Central Bank and a Standing Army. The Second Amendment is to secure the right of the citizens to be as well armed as the Goverment. We are the enforcers of the Constitution and it is our right and duty to police the Goverment, otherwise they are free to do as they choose. The Second Amendment is not the final say in the matter. The Second Amendment is explained by the founders in Federalist 29 and the Militia Act of 1792 makes the ownership of Military firearms not only legal but it makes it mandatory. How people have forgotten history or even the document that are Nation was founded upon.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 12:48 AM

America existed under the Articles of Confederation, this was our first Constitution drafted in 1776 formally ratified in 1781. When the new Constitution was drafted, it had to be ratified by all thirteen States before it could become Law, it was openly and highly debated. These works became known as the Federalist Papers and the Anti Federalist Papers. These we the debates between the Founding Fathers and virtually every section is explained in detail as to the intent and scope of each article. If you take the time to read Federalist #29 there is no longer any gun debate, it becomes very clear why we have the SA and why it should never be infringed! Please America take the time to eductae yourself with actual history and not the*****tube. Copies of both works are available at the National Archives.

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oluhjnb

Feb-20-13 12:49 AM

FarmerBob is now a Sea Lawyer.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 2:52 AM

Here is another fact warped by the media,fully automatic weapons were not banned in the thirties, they were never banned still 100% legal under Federal Law. The law created back then requires one to purchase a $200 tax stamp. Knowing they mobsters woul never purchase the stamp they were able to charge them with tax evasion if they possessed class III firearms. They also added the clause to the income tax form that asks if you made any profit from illegal ventures or actions. This is how they brought down Capone, with those two itty bitty tax laws, hard to belive huh? Yet it's history we all should know, I learned all of that in school. There is no "Sea Law" Admirality Law only applies to international affairs, the Founding Fathers were proponents of Natural and Common Law. Emmerich De Vattel was the law scholar of the day and many of the Founders had his literary works in their collections. Can anybody tell me what the 9th Amendment states and what it protects???

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BushCrimeFamily

Feb-20-13 2:56 AM

Wow. Go away for a short time and return to a pack of Crazy! No wonder the Ohio Valley is stuck in the Dark Ages.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 3:05 AM

oluhjnb, "facts" cannot be obtained from "Wiki" it can be edited by anybody. The media has also proven to report false information. Sandy Hook happened because we tolerate sick kids in our society today. Instead of correcting their twisted behaviour we justify it as their rights as individuals. Movies and music that glorify mass murders, and "thug life" desensitize them to violence. Political correctness and tolerance along with psycotropic drugs and the entertainment industry are the cause. Columbine happened when large capacity mags and assault style weapons were banned. I have facts, stats, history, a level head and composure. I am the liberals and conservatives worst nightmare, I have commen sense and can think for myself!

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 3:15 AM

How is any of what I said crazy Bush crime family? It's all fact and history available from the National Archives. Relying on the media or an internet blog for the "facts" now that is crazy! Adhering to the Law is not exactly what I would call "living in the dark ages". First the Constitution does not give rights, it protects them, the purpose is to limit Goverment not the People. Alow them to trample one right and they will trample them all. After years of gun regulations we now have free speech regulations. It is now a felony to invoke the 1st amendment in the "no free speech zones" Giving supreme authority to a politician and thinking he won't abuse that power is crazy.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 3:25 AM

Federalist #29 Concerning the Militia, 1/9/1788 Alexander Hamilton The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate extent, upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.

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FarmerBob

Feb-20-13 3:32 AM

Militia Act of 1792 That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all musket

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