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Affordable Care Act

August 22, 2013

Dear Editor, When it comes to the Affordable Care Act of ten times referred to as “Obamacare,” why are Republican/Conservative law-makers and pundits alike virtually unreasonable and especially......

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ruzgirl

Aug-28-13 9:31 AM

No, OLUH, I was not a Girl Scout. I just happen to think that a point is better validated with class and tact. I'm not implying you have neither because I don't know you personally (to do so would be hypocritical on my part), but it seems that you tend to resort to name-calling and bashing of others who have a different opinion than yours. You're not the only one to do that on here-I realize that-and I wish that others who post on here would set aside their rash judgements and stick to the facts and participate in a healthy debate. There are those (myself included) who genuinely would like to gather as much information as possible to make a sound decision or to form a valid opinion. To shamelessly quote someone, "Can't we all just get along???" =)

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promo61

Aug-27-13 7:02 PM

Ruzgirl, call your Senator and Representative and ask them those two questions. You have cut to the heart of the matter. It would be interesting if you posted their responses here.

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oluhjnb

Aug-27-13 6:27 PM

You must have been a Girl Scout.

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ruzgirl

Aug-27-13 10:13 AM

Why then, Promo, can't those of us who already pay for insurance through our employers be left alone?? Why force us to change?? That's not fair. My husband and I work hard to provide for our son and to make sure we're all insured. I don't get it...off to research I go!! OLUH, please try to refrain from calling someone an ungrateful pig. I realize Promo probably didn't flinch, but it's just ugly to do that. There's no need to resort to name-calling when we're all trying to have a constructive conversation =)

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oluhjnb

Aug-27-13 8:40 AM

Promo's hatred just went into damage control--in reverse.

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promo61

Aug-27-13 7:41 AM

Two things that would reduce costs are allowing companies to sell across state lines and tort reform.

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promo61

Aug-27-13 7:40 AM

I don't expect meaningful comments from you OLUH, which makes me appreciate UAMF all the more for his opinions on this topic. I was, of course comparing Government to Private industry which got past OLUH somehow. UAMF, I agree we can beat this to death and it's time to stop. I read your post and I agree with it in part. Personally I think the best solution is what already exists for small business, and that is high deductible plans together with a health savings account. Employees of larger corporations who have enjoyed HMO plans over the years have exploited the program by running to doctors needlessly for sniffles, stubbed toes and the like. When a plan covers doctor visits it doesn't take long for that HMO to realize they are getting the short end of the stick. Paying for the small stuff yourself is the best inhibitor to abusing the system. As for a GOP plan, I don't want ANY government plan. I want private industry to rule the market with changes to address costs.

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uglyassmf

Aug-26-13 11:36 PM

Promo..this my my last comment.I don't like Obamacare and the potus likely doesn't either. it's the only thing he could get through the gates of hell.I'm not defending him. nor do i want anything for FREE. the taxpayer gives not by choice to immigrants,politicians,people who rather sit home and have babies than work,and many others free tax payer provided health care.All us average American hard working tax paying citizens want is to be able to purchase health insurance at a fair price for services rendered and not foot the bill for the rest of dead beats. I fail to see what is so hard to understand about that.We don't want free.We just want fair and asking a family of 4 to choke out 1000 a month and still have deductibles is a crime in my opinion. McCain offered up to 5 grand in tax credits for families..up to 2500 for individuals.i never read to see how many thousands you had to spend to get it but it's still ignoring the problem.I'm done with this.Watching for the GOP solution.????

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oluhjnb

Aug-26-13 9:49 PM

Promo61 you just showed your right wing stupidity and ignorance. If the government "... never produce a single thing." Well you have forgotten the Freedoms WE enjoy everyday.

In your blind hate of President Obama, you've forgotten the Freedoms earned by the United States GOVERNMENT PAID FOR MILITARY. You ungrateful PIG.

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promo61

Aug-26-13 7:01 PM

Remember UAMF, many if not all the services you describe are optional with the exception of one, and that is Obamacare. You can choose to not buy electricity or gas and fear no retribution from the federal government. The only one that will cost you no matter what you choose is the "Affordable" Care Act. There will be no private insurance companies about which you can rail concerning their greed. Why isn't there ever a conversation about government greed? After all, they take what they want and never produce a single thing.

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promo61

Aug-26-13 6:47 PM

Ruzgirl: The short answer is yes, but the question is more about who will be your provider, because in the end your current one will likely cease to exist. Under the law as written, you will either join the program (in the form of a state exchange) or you will pay a fine for not doing so. The potential exists for the law to harm you financially, but I don't intend to scare you. You should do some research and form your own opinion. Feel free to value or discard mine along with anyone else who chooses to respond to you.

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Thoughtful

Aug-26-13 6:10 PM

The legislation was ill conceived, rammed though Congress without proper debate and analysis by a broad group with expertise, poorly evaluated as to it's cost, and purely a political ego trip for Mr. Obama. To truly have a thorough program, it requires time, expertise, debate, and give and take. None of this happened. the plan has some sound options but many that simply will not work, are not cost effective, and reduce the ability of individuals to choose. Let us leave the ego trips to the entertainers and athletes and focus on sound legislation and broad support for such a critical piece of legislation!!!!!!!!

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uglyassmf

Aug-26-13 4:27 PM

ALBANY, N.Y. - As a lobbyist in New York's statehouse, Stephen Acquario is doing pretty well. He pulls down $204,000 a year, more than the governor makes, gets a Ford Explorer as his company car and is afforded another special perk:Even though he's not a government employee, he is entitled to a full state pension.

He's among hundreds of lobbyists in at least 20 states who get public pensions because they represent associations of counties, cities and school boards, an Associated Press review found. Legislatures granted them access decades ago on the premise that they serve governments and the public. In many cases, such access also includes state health care benefits. Google this crap..20 states now allow lobbyist something the tax payer can't even buy for a fair price. now tell me what's wrong. please

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uglyassmf

Aug-26-13 3:43 PM

The employer provided method used to work great. It doesn't anymore unless your a government employee and that is starting to change. Very few employers running very profitable companies feel a need to take care of the people who made them their profits these days. Obviously we need to move away from this system because it isn't working. Either force employers to provide which will kill many or change the system. The only place I see a lot of revenue that isn't going to raise taxes or put any one out of business is the profits of the health insurance provider. Of course they will threaten to go out of business but where there are billions to be made some one will take that money. Our politicians are being paid not to regulate them. You call it what you want. I prefer simple terminology. GREED

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ruzgirl

Aug-26-13 9:37 AM

My question is this (since I'm clearly uneducated on this matter): Will people who are currently employed and pay for health care see an increase in their premiums? Also, what other impact will this have on people who won't have to use Obamacare? I genuinely would like to know because, honestly, if it doesn't affect me financially or physically then I'm okay with it. I realize I have some research to do ;-)

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turley

Aug-26-13 9:13 AM

POTUS????....remove the T and the U and the description is more accurate...LOL

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oluhjnb

Aug-26-13 8:13 AM

Turley's comments are just a rehash of his hatred for POTUS. People in this country are sick of bigots like turley.

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promo61

Aug-26-13 7:58 AM

The smokescreen this administration used to make sure everyone has health insurance was the means to the end. The end is a single payer system where cost doesn't concern us anymore because it we dont feel it in our checkbooks. We pay a premium but the real cost will never be discovered, giving free reign to the federal government to raise the cost at will. And they will.

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promo61

Aug-26-13 7:53 AM

Then what good does it do to beat the greed war drum? What impact will the regulations you call for have on the industry? The Canadian example of someone getting covered for a procedure at no cost is patently misleading. Is the doctor getting paid? Does the equipment he or she uses have no value? Who's paying for the rent forbthe space the doctor is working out of? Dont all services have a cost? My point is that now we know what healthcare costs and that is what needs to be addressed. Once we start paying for it through taxation we won't have the slightest idea. The smokescree

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uglyassmf

Aug-26-13 5:03 AM

No such thing as a free lunch huh..that's pretty funny. People who refuse to work get free health care..the politicians get health care via my tax dollars and every one else who works hard to make an honest living. The only people who are getting screwed in the current system are middle class hard working people who do not have employer provided health care and people who run their own businesses and we do not want any thing for FREE but we do want fair services for a fair price. We are tired of paying for our lunch and every one elses. It's frigin rediculous.

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BigMike

Aug-25-13 1:36 PM

Mr. Hord wrote:"When it comes to the Affordable Care Act of ten times referred to as "Obamacare," why are Republican/Conservative law-makers and pundits alike virtually unreasonable and especially negative and demagogic regarding the concept of universal health care for all Americans which by any fair-minded estimation appears to be a very worthwhile undertaking, "

It might be because there is no such thing as a free lunch.....

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uglyassmf

Aug-24-13 8:50 PM

My only concern is things that people have to have to live with out being im pain or being sick. Nobody will die or lose their homestead because they don't watch Terrel Owens or any other athlete on TV. I also have yet to see some die from not being able to afford ice cream. Health care is a completely different situation and it certainly should be viewed as such. There is huge movement by the politicians to keep health insurance from being lumped in with Auto insurance, public utilities etc. I guarentee you if the politicians had to pay out of pocket for their health insurance they would fix this. Either that or the lobbyist and health insurance industry would pay their bills for free to keep them on their side. I fail to see a reasonable comparison in your examples. I do believe in the free market system except when it comes to public utilities and health care. The difference between life and death or living your entire life sick because you can't afford medicine is ohh so differen

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promo61

Aug-24-13 6:10 PM

Lastly, I've used this example before but it bears repeating; your neighbor runs a small ice cream store during the summer. He/She makes a 60% profit after expenses in three months totaling let's assume $24,000. Is that person, who is your neighbor, a greedy person?

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promo61

Aug-24-13 6:10 PM

perhaps an introspective analysis of where your beef really lies is called for. Lucky for you I'm willing to help ;) Is it really all gross profit you have a problem with or just a certain amount in certain industries? Let's examine a coupe sectors ferret out what really grinds your gears. What about drug companies? That's a favorite liberal poster child/whipping boy. If Company A invests a couple billion in research and testing for a drug they know has market value, and thereby makes a couple hundred million in profit, is that extortion (or greed as libs love to say)? Example number two: How about an NFL team? I am so far unaware of a national discussion of their greed, yet they pay millions to athletes and reap yet more millions in profit. Are the players greedy? The owners?

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uglyassmf

Aug-24-13 3:19 PM

I just don't see why they simply do not regulate the health insurance industry. I know why but I just can't grasp that. Public utilities are regulated because they are services that people absolutely have to have and it is criminal to over charge then or price the services out of reach for the average consumer. Health insurance is most certainly something we all need our lawmakers who are supposed to protect us for some reason want this to be out of reach for many hard working American families. With hundreds of billions in clear profits per year i don't see what is wrong with a regulation. do you realize that if you forced them cut their rates in half they will still be making astronomical profits. It isn't going to hurt them or change their life style on bit. Most of us do not want anything for free. Just fair services for a fair price. What these insurance companies are doing is flat out extortion. It should be illegal but as long as our leaders are on the take nothing will change

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